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and angry crowds put lawmakers on the defensive over health care. is this honest fear and anger or stage outrage aimed at to stop health care reform in its tracks. american marines on the move and storming taliban strongholds in the south. there are new worries the military revamped strategy could end up backfiring. armed in america. new report reveals economic hardships and fears over president obama's agenda are significantly boosting the rosters of militia groups from coast-to-coast. good morning. i'm carlos watson. democratic congressman elijah cummings joins me and joanne emerson, a republican and mark potak joins me and kimberly martin and lisa jackson, terrific new film what is going on in the congo and nbc's chuck todd at the white house and richard engel live in afghanistan. let's fast forward through the

top headlines. a small plane crashed from taking off in new jersey in sussex. police say two men flown to a nearby hospital and one of the men may have a broken leg. u.s. troops in afghanistan launched a new operation to uproot taliban fighters ahead of next week's presidential election. eastern result two is designed to make months of stalemate in the south where the taliban remained entrenched. host of a crime show in brazil is accused of ordering five killings and sent tv cameras to arrive to the scene before police. he faces several weapons charges and drug charge and yet to be charged directly with the murders. a short time ago, president obama hosted a reception for newly confirmed supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. the president praised her and called her an inspiration to many. >> this moment is not just about her. it's about every child who will grow up thinking to him or

herself if sonia sotomayor can make it, then maybe i can, too. >> sotomayor is the first hispanic and third woman to sit on the supreme court. i want to introduce this morning my guest co-host, pleased to have back again angela bert-yur murray and will be with me for the hour. one town hall down and two more to go for the president. he faced a polite audience in new hampshire, other members of his party have not been as lucky. >> i don't understand this rudeness! what is this? i don't get it. i honestly don't get it. do you all think you're persuading people when you shout out like that? you don't trust me? >> with me now, live in d.c. is chief white house correspondent chuck todd. we were just watching claire mcclass kill mccaskill having a tough time at her town hall in

missouri. is it some of the town halls gone away from michigan and in missouri influencing the conversation one way or the other? >> i think it is influencing the conversation or you wouldn't have the president himself yesterday at a town hall have to spend as much time explaining what is not in his proposal for health care as he did trying to pitch what is in his proposal on health care. so there is no doubt this stuff is having an effect. i think another thing we've learned is it's a lot easier to show up at a town hall meeting for a member of congress if you're an opponent than it is to get into one of these town hall meetings with the president. that's not to say it wasn't open to the public. it's just a little more difficult, i think, in two ways. number one, just getting a ticket distributed because there's so many more people that try to get them, and, two, i think people are just -- have a different attitude when they talk to a president than when

they feel comfortable screaming, frankly, at a united states senator. >> hey, chuck, got to ask but the guy with the gun outside of the portsmouth, new hampshire, town hall debate. somebody else arrested with a gun elsewhere. somebody else with a knife. what, financing, is the white house saying about this? i know they don't want to inflame it but i got to believe there is some real concern. >> frankly, carlos, no. when you spend time in new hampshire, the gentleman that had the gun that was strapped on in full sight of everybody, you know, i was talking to plenty of locals about this. there's a deep libertarian streak in new hampshire and a group of this folks, frankly, apparently a few months ago, who went and did a beach cleanup with guns strapped on to themselves so everybody could see sort of to make a statement they want to be justice environmentally friendly and

carry their gun whenever they do, in new hampshire, live or die. i'll than honest, we conflated things yesterday by throwing this guy in there. there were definitely protesters in there but this guy was trying to make another point and this was an anti-government activist that would have been at this whether this were a republican president or democratic president. >> that's interesting. go to push back on that. to be clear, we got a history in this country of presidents being shot at and killed going back to -- >> carlos, i am not making light of this! but i think you got to -- i'm just saying, i'm just explaining where this guy was coming from. i'm not saying it's one of these things, you know, the secret service wasn't concerned about, but law enforcement seemed to be very much know exactly what this guy was doing. they told him you got to stay on private profit. he stayed on private property. what i'm saying is that the situation was handled by both local law enforcement and the secret service. >> let me move on to one other

aspect of this. i was intrigued to see a number of religious groups announced, faith-based groups that they are beginning to wade into the health care debate. any expectation that that will be a meaningful new entry or is that just one more voice into what is an important public conversation? >> well, i think that they are definitely is probably, at this point, just another voice in this conversation. but you do wonder what -- you know, when will there be a tipping point? i do think the white house was hoping for a little more of a moment with the president dealing with a critic in public a little bit. they didn't get it at that town hall meeting. maybe they'll get it in montana, maybe they'll get it in colorado, but i do think they're trying to see if they can just put a period on this whole town hall mess that's going on with members of congress. >> chuck, as we move forward, i want to bring in angela bert-murray who has a question for, my guest co-host.

>> town halls have been the president's strength and go to place when ents to get his message out to the people directly but what we're seeing is a lot of debate. how ready is the administration as he heads to montana? how ready is he to face people that aren't his typical fans? people that really are going to disrupt the process? can they handle that? >> well, i think two weeks ago, i would have said no. i think they were caught flat-footed, that the fight over health care had become, to borrow a phrase, i think chris matthews said it first, part of the culture wars. when something gets into the culture war aspect, i'm talking about god, gays and abortion those inflaming passions in the '90s and maybe in the early part of the 21st century, i think that isn't what they expected health care to become. i think they thought it was going to be a policy debate and i think they thought it was going to be a washington debate and i think maybe they underestimated the concern that's out there, the sort of

anti-government sentiment that is out there, maybe the anger at the banks and anger at wall street and all of it got conflatted. if you notice in the last two weeks you see a refinement of democratic talking points on the senate and house level and they are trying to be more active in pushing back but, you know, you do bring up a point that they were good at this on the campaign but, you know, they got a late start pushing back on that personal stuff that hit him during the spring of '08 and the summer of '08 and then they did that whole fight the smear campaign and i think they eventually thought that was effective. i think they got a late start on health care. i think they think by the end of august, they should be making progress. >> chuck todd at the white house, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> you got it. >> not all of the town halls are going into chaos. lawmakers are holding more than 20 town halls across the country today. with me live is a congressman

from maryland, congressman elijah cummings. what do you make of the town halls that are going on across the country, including the president's visit to new hampshire and arlen specter's town hall in lebanon, pennsylvania, yesterday? >> i think at all depends on where the media takes their audiences. my good friend hank johnson of georgia just had a town hall with 2,000 people and not one peek of a problem. i held a town hall about a week ago with veterans dealing with health care and veterans issues and you would have thought it was a -- it was a good meeting. we had no outbursts. they had concerns but we were able to share our thoughts. with regard to the president, i think the president did exactly what he needed to do yet. i think he laid out the problem basically there are two arguments that we've got to deal with. one, the moral authority of this nation. are we going to take care of the 47 million people and sometimes up to 68 million per day that

have no insurance, and so many more are underinsured. the other argument is how do we revise our health care system so that we are effective and efficient? period. and get these people insured. so i think the president attacked both of those problems but, again, i think some of the folks who are coming out are trying to drown out folks who may have legitimate concerns and people who simply want to listen. i've done a lot of town hall meetings over my course since i've been in office for many years and i can tell you, i always have people that may not agree with me, but they don't drown out that people who want to be heard and who want to listen. >> congressman, i want to switch to the topic. "the new york times" had a lead editorial today talking again about the money that wall street seems to be making again, the bonuses that they plan to hand out as well. i know you've been outspoken on this issue. your feelings seem to be that part of not just seeing the economy recover, but rebuilt in a very different form and

fashion is affecting some meaningful pay caps. but it seems like it's not moving forward and every time we hear about that, we read a new article that people have found a way around it and, in fact, there may be a new bubble they are saying that the stock market because of overinflation and because of the willingness to pay people a ton of money again that we're creating new problems. is there any sense on your part that congress is going to implement meaningful pay caps for executives, especially those on wall street that have received government money? >> i tell you if it was up to me, we will. i just don't know how much of the summit that congress has to do that. in talking to a number of my colleagues, they seem to think that maybe this thing is a bit out of control and it's going to take the obama administration and the pay czar to work with us to control this. we can't continue to go back to where we were, where people were getting these bonuses that were basically not really connected

with success and encourage these kind of bonuses that encourage people to take phenomenal risks and we seem like walker walking back into that. when the congress comes back, i think we will be working to address these issues but, again, it's hard to say exactly what the congress will do because we're so caught up right now in this health care situation. >> congressman cummings, i'm joined by angela bert-murray who has a question for you. >> congressman, recently, you released a report on women in health care and taking a look at the very real issue that families are facing, we have more than 64 million women who have lost health care due to loss of job or a spouse that has lost a job. how do you see the administration's plan being more able to effectively address this issue for women and children in this country? >> well, one of the things -- i'm so glad you raised that. one of the things in that report talks about women, for example, who may be a baby boomers and may be, say, for example, five years older than their husbands.

the husband gets to be 65 and goes on to medicare and guess what? if that wife has been dependent upon him and a whole lot of people fall into that category, they have no insurance. and they have something else. they have probably preexisting conditions. which means that if they had something like breast cancer, they would not -- if they had a hundred thousand dollars they would not be able to buy a policy. basically what the health care reform addresses that issue and says no more preexisting conditions, banning people from getting insurance. it also would bring gender equity. i don't know if a lot of people know it but if you have a firm with a lot of women and compared to a firm with a lot of men would pay, is there a vast difference. like up to 45% that will be paid for the women's policy as opposed to the firm with the males. so therefore, a lot of women are discriminated against because if somebody is hiring they will say, wait a minute, i don't want too many women because my insurance will go up. the policy we're working on would get rid of that gender

unfairness and so there are a number of issues. then the other part is that there are more women, higher percentage of women who depend on men even in this day for their insurance. if a man loses his job and we have millions losing their jobs. what happens? she has no health insurance. this would bring it down so they could get the insurance. >> thank you for joining us. i would love to see you here in new york live on the set. >> i'll do that and make sure we make that happen. >> look forward to it. we want to hear your thoughts about the tension rising in town halls across the country. head over to our website. go to twitter.msnbc.com and you'll see my picture there. click on it. or you can go to twitter.com/carloswatson, let me know what you think. is the u.s. getting it wrong in afghanistan? new word the u.s. military's strategy will only intensify the fight and create new enemies along the way.

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welcome back to msnbc live. i'm carlos watson. the u.s. and afghan governments hope to turn the tide by getting help from local militia. thousands will be hired to provide security for the august 20th elections. if successful they will give tribesmen permanent jobs of protecting their village from the taliban. richard engel is live in kabul and joining me on the set is kimberly martin, professor of international relations and foreign policy at columbia university and back with me is

angela bert-murray, editor and chief of "essence." richard what is latest on this knowing the presidential elections next week and there have been questions how smoothly those will go? >> the afghan government is trying to secure the city of kabul. we saw today extra checkpoints being put up and they are clearing away street vendors from busy intersections and hired as you mentioned thousands of local militia to monitoring the polling station and the u.s. military is also going on the offensive. a major operation today in the south of afghanistan in helmand province. about 400 marines and a hundred afghan troops went in. they were backed up by combat helicopters and jump jets and they were taking over a taliban-held village and there was intense fighting. the u.s. troops think they killed between 7 and 10 taliban fighters but they fought over eight hours and taliban were

firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns. >> we heard a lot of senior obama administration officials talk about the situation in afghanistan this week. a lot of the things we heard is they may need as more as 45,000 troops and may need more money and could be there a long time. given what richard has shared in the new news, do you hear anything new or different? assess the situation briefly for me in afghanistan. >> when i was in afghanistan embedded with the canadian forces the most important thing that i learned from that is that the civilians are really the key to the success in the operation. you have to provide security for them, you have on give them space for development. the united states is certainly doing the right thing by being concerned about that and its new counterinsurgency strategy. there are not enough resources to go around and they have to do it on the cheap. hiring the own militia to give them money from an outside source to do this is dangerous. >> i'm mixed when i hear that.

when you say on the cheap. lindsey graham also felt emphatic about this weekend saying i don't want to rumsfeld it and do it on the cheap but on the other hand we argued in iraq part of the problem there was dissolving the military forces because they had been saddam forces and that, in fact, we spent a lot of money to rebuild them. is this not arguably a wise thing to do? >> it is -- to build a national military force. it's a bad idea to take existing militias and keep them as units and try to put them in a new force. we know from history going back to china at the durn of the 20th century the units stayed together and disrupt things. they are bad for security. it's not something that leads to security in the long term for the population. >> angela, your thoughts on this? >> well, this is interesting. you spoke earlier about more troops and more money. that's something the american citizens start to get concerned about. is there any sort of definitive answer what it's going to take to get us in there and out of

there quickly? >> i think we have to remember that the reason that we're there is not just what is happening in afghanistan or al qaeda in general and a new report out today that says that the pakistani nuclear installation are under threat and afghanistan is next door. if we don't put enough resources in that means another stage and ground back to al qaeda and that is disastrous. >> we don't have an infinite number of resources so what does it take? >> i think afghanistan is the most crucial area at the moment for u.s. national security interests because of the history of al qaeda being there and the importance of the pakistani nuclear installations. but i'm not sure anyone knows for sure how much it's going to take. >> there is a major "the new york times" story today concerned that pakistan, next door, how aggressive the taliban and others have been going after the nuclear installations in pakistan. richard, the final word as we head out. your thoughts? >> what is important to watch is this offensive going on right now. as it relates to the elections.

u.s. forces want to say that it is all of the afghan security forces that are in the lead, that afghan police and army will be securing all of the polling stations, but, obviously, there are real concerns about the capability of the afghan forces. that's why we're seeing an intensified military push in the south. there are also some operations going on in the east and this election, which is just on the 20th of this month, will be a real test for afghanistan to see if all of these questions we've been talking about will more troops, will more american money be needed to stabilize this country. >> richard engel in kabul, thank you very much and kimberly marten, thank you for joining us. a new report says militias are on the rise in the united states. what is fueling the rage and how concerned should we be? will it be early '90s all over again? one man's journey deep into the african wilderness to save a pride of lions from elimination.

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from missouri emerson joins me now. thank you for being here. >> appreciate being here. >> how do you look at what is happening in some of the town halls including there in missouri and when i think of that, i think not only some of the challenges that senator mccaskill faced but your fellow republican todd aiken in missouri was at a town hall last week. let's me play quickly that sound bite and i want to gept get your reaction what is going on. >> people in washington, d.c. have come back to their districts and have town hall meetings and they almost got lynched. and so -- >> you hear him there talking about lynching. there seems to be applause. your thoughts on what is going on in the town halls right now? >> carlos, i think people are just a little bit nervous about too much government. if you remember, we had fannie and freddie may in their bailouts and the bank bailouts in the fall and then aig and then the car companies and the

stimulus and i think people are just a little bit nervous. i think claire spoke to it directly. you got both sides but people are nervous. the government has just taken over too much of their lives and so they're expressing their outrage and i think they are nervous about their jobs. if they don't have a job, obviously, they probably don't have health care unless they're on medicare. but people are just nervous. >> congresswoman, it's always hard to be the party out of power, particularly a power in power so long. how do you assess how the republican party is doing at handling that role and what more would you like to see the republican party do this fall in terms of presenting ideas or however they ultimately want to engage in the larger public debate? >> personally, i think we should come out with concrete ideas. you know, i've been having town hall meetings on health care all year long and did mine over the fourth of july recess and also

am the house sponsor of the wyden/bennett bill and the bill on the healthy americans act. with concrete examples of legislation that might work, that doesn't cost money, we've got a lot of work to do, but just saying no is not going to work. i don't think the american people want that. i think they want to try to see us working together, both sides, and trying to come up with some compromises. and that is what we do in missouri. it is, as the senator said, a 50/50 state and you really have to work together. our congressional delegations do that and i think that the american people want us to represent them responsibly and effectively and if we don't work together, then we're not doing our jobs. >> joanne, this is angela bert-murray, carlos' co-host to do. you say people are asking for their government to be more responsible and answer to what they want. what are the three things you're hearing from people, you know, just to cut through the rhetoric and yelling and screaming at the town halls, what are the top

three things you think people really want the administration to understand that they need? >> i think job security is number one, angela. people are so worried. i represent 28 very rural counties in missouri and, consequently, we kind of are delayed in getting layoffs and the like but they are starting to come forward now. i have a very poor district, so we're very heavily dependent on medicare and medicaid on health care but people want to know, number one, on the health care front, i want to be able to keep my doctor. i don't want the government making decisions for me. at the same time, i do need a safety net. and so they are talking about that and the third issue about which they're talking is energy and cap and trade. we're very highly agricultural, so very, very dependent upon energy used in my district, and people are worried about paying higher energy costs when they are already hurting financially right now and worried about where the next paycheck is going to come. >> congresswoman emerson, thank

you for joining us and when you're in new york next time, stop by and join us live on the set. >> would love to, carlos. militia groups with anger toward the government are on the rise and regrouping in fact, across the country. according to a new report the stress of the economy and liberal administration led by the nation's first african-american president are contributing to the rise of militias. joining us by phone is mark potak, director of intelligence with the southern poverty law center. good to have you on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> you are seeing a meaningful increase in militias. what does that actually mean? make that plain for me. >> well, in fact, it's been fairly dramatic. you know, it's not only our own reporting but also the reporting of law enforcement official around the country who have seen very much the same thing. you know, essentially what we're seeing is that the militias as they existed in '90s are

reappearing. it also means a kind of coming back to life of many of the conspiracy theories that animated militias. this is oftentimes kind of aided and abetted by certainly personalities on television, people who float the ideas of, you know, fema running a secret set of concentration camps for patriotic americans and obama not really being an american and the rest of it. >> mark, what are you hearing from people inside the administration? how do they want to deal with these sort of organizations that are growing as you're saying? >> well, i don't claim to have a kind of inside track to, you know, the real heart of the administration. what i can say that i think is absolutely and proven true is that law enforcement officials in the field who actually do this work are very aware of this. i don't think we're probably telling them anything they don't know already. i mean,, you know, to give a couple of markers, for instance,

there have been so many so-called tax defiers, people who think of themselves as, quote/unquote, sovereign citizens as they used to say in the militia days. they don't believe they owe any obedience to u.s. laws and they don't think they owe taxes and so on. there are so many of those people that, last year, late last year, the federal government set up a tax defier project to kind of track these and attack these people. we've seen a very dramatic rise at threats directed at judges and other judicial officials. there are literally thousands of videos from these groups of training and so on on youtube and then there are actually groups in the woods, as i said, doing this kind of training. >> it's interesting. when you think about it, any sort of government intervention or law enforcement getting involved in these groups might even strengthen their position, saying that the government is now attacking us. >> of course, that's true and

all of the hoopla and i think really bogus applaud about the leak of the homeland security report a few months ago which also talked about a resurgence, of the radical right, not specifically ma lishs a that was taken by the rush limbaughs of the world to be an attack on anti-conservative or anybody who opposed high levels of immigration or opposed abortion. of course, that wasn't all was the report said. nevertheless it was sort of red meat for the far right. >> mark, thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you for having hee. ahead is secretary of state hillary clinton continues her trip in africa she is highlighting a crisis plaguing the democratic of congo. we have that straight ahead with hbo filmmaker lisa jackson. butt room for the internet. with my new netbook from at&t. with its built-in 3g network, it's fast and small, so it goes places other laptops can't.

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secretary of state hillary clinton is in africa. secretary clinton announced 17 million dollars to help victims of sexual violence in congo where hundreds of thousands of women and girls have been raped in the last ten years. filmmaker lisa jackson of hbo is here. i was tell you off stage it is probably the most powerful piece of film i think i've ever seen and hard to watch in many ways. for those who have not had the opportunity to see your documentary, can you kind of tell us briefly what you found and what you saw? >> i've been to the congo a half a dozen times since 2006 and i will say that the situation has gotten worse. what i found initially was so many women coming forward to want to tell their stories. it was so unusual for them to have someone who would listen to what they had to say without judgment and with compassion. >> we're talking again litterably hundred of thousands? >> we are talking about hundreds

of thousands of women and girls. i met women in their '80s. i met young girls 2 and 3 years old. the one rape hospital i visited was overflowing with women who, the surgeries that are required to repair the injuries that result from these rapes are very elaborate and sometimes they take two to three years to recover. >> angela, i know you wrote a major piece on it. you had a major piece done it on both on lisa's film and the crisis going on in congo. i took what you did was extraordinary was interviewing some of the men who raped because you almost never hear from them. can you tell us about that and what they said? why in their minds they are doing what they do? >> i had actually no problem accessing about a dozen members of the congolese army who confessed to multiple rapes. >> bragged it bit. >> and they did so without any fear of reprisal. they were basically confessing to war crimes on my camera to my

videotape after the interviews were done disappeared into the bush and i knew they would never see court or any prison time. they claim that it's the war that makes them do it. part of it is sort of a savage mail prerogative they feel they have to act out. they are not paid. this is going back to the time in the '80s when the captain told his army you have guns, pay yourself. >> a dictator who ruled what was formerly called sihir and now the republic of congo? >> exactly. the women are getting it from the army who is supposed to be protecting them and getting it from united nations peacekeepers and the militia living in the hills there since '95. >> what is it going to take to change the situation in the congo? the international community is aware what is going on. every couple of years a major piece gets done on it, whether it's your documentary or a major u.s. piece that comes out but what is it going to take to stop

what is going on and how much of race is a factor in this world irch different to the situation in congo? >> i think it's a large part of it. they think it issan african messy hard to understand. easy to understand. resources are there that we all have on our blackberrieblackber >> mineral rich. >> exactly. mrs. clinton's visit can't just be the media moment. the pressure has to continue and they have to know they cannot be allowed to be part of a country civilized nation to be allowed to let this happen to the most vulnerable. there are members of his own government that are on this, too. >> lisa jackson, your hbo documentary is absolutely powerful and important. thank you for doing it and thank you for visiting us today and look forward to having you back again. today, i'm moving my "c" note up. we're moving it up because of a special event at the end of the show. i want to go back to a "c" note i offered two days ago where i

wondered outloud about the use of the word socialist. i was clear in saying the majority when the word is used i think it's fine. often it's used because a real critique about policy and people as we heard congresswoman emerson say are concerned about government takeovers of various pieces of the economy. no problem with that. other times it's used as a political bludgeoning tool. i think that's fine but in a small handful of cases i think we should be worried about, i wondered outloud. didn't assert but wondered outloud is it a code word and perhaps the new in word? i saw that when i heard people cheering at the notion of lynching and now when i get hundreds, almost thousands of e-mails from people blazed with you all sorts of various expletives and not so coded words and all this is not really about that but about the larger importance of civil conversation around important issues be it health care or what have you. and incumbent not only upon

elected members but us in the media to draw a white line. one had a way with the john burrch society in the 1950s. i think it's incumbent for a lot of folks to step up and be thoughtful about it. i look forward to continuing this conversation and see a more responsible debate which includes the word socialist appropriately so as we go forward. coming up, animal planet dave will join us in getting close to the world's most dangerous predators and he has brought one of them with him. that's right. we have a real lion on the set! there is dave. you got to love hill him from the animal planet and a terrific show starting this thursday. bicycle, what are we waiting for? the flowers are blooming. the air is sweet. and zyrtec® starts... relieving my allergies... 2 hours faster than claritin®.

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our next guest literally goes into the lion's den for a living. he spent six months alone deep in the african brush getting dangerously close to a rogue pride of lions for the new series "into the pride." his task was to teach the pride to calm down and accept humans. >> i have to get everything right this wary mother would be super protective of her cubs. convincing her i wasn't a threat was going to be a challenge. there would be no second chances around cleopatra. if i scared her too bad before earning her trust, my shot at connecting with the pride's queen and her cubs would be lost. >> joining me on the set, predator expert and host of "into the pride" dave salmany. >> thanks. >> why did you do this? was this just another tv show or a larger conversation you were trying to spark? >> this was a a passion project for me. these lions were marked for destruction. they are what they call problem

lions because of the situation that humanity put them in. there is no spaces in africa anymore that aren't overcrowded and influenced by people. these cats found themselves in conflict with humans so our response to that is kill them. the whole population has to be killed. this place was saying we will house those cats, find them a nice, safe space and through ecotourism, support that space. and i went there will to try to help the lions calm down so they would support that ecotourism. >> that notion of conservation, preserving spaces for the lions, preserving lions and other animals, you were telling me not that sample in canada or the u.s. and say it is crazy that you guys are trying to get rid of lions. say more about that. >> what we do look how beautiful this animal is recognize it as a predator we need to save that animal. i agree with that unfortunately in africa, a lot of poverty over there. their entire wealth is in their cattle, this guy eatscality. tough for us to sit here and say, hey you, better stop killing the lions. took 90% of the wealth away by

killing the cattle. what these guys eat are these big animals. same thing, children starving, not kill this guy's food. they remove the people causing conflict, vent them out and create jobs with them. >> angela lulled me into a false sense of security. >> nice and tight. >> hold her nice and tight. i don't want to end up in a tough situation. angela, your thoughts on this, are you someone who is -- whoa, got serious teeth? >> yeah. yeah. >> be careful. >> okay. >> i'm watching her. i'm watching all the body posture what i do when i'm in the bush, watch the body posture, what her mood is. she is not going to hurt you. >> we were saddened to see what happened to steve irwin. and how did you think about that as an expert, as someone who does this all the time? what did that say to you? >> two-fold, as a professional, you recognize everyone at home

can say, you no he what do this set it up, you want hold lines, interact with things in the wild, you better do your homework, you have to be a real pro. that is what steve was. on the second hand,thyic for my family and friends, you watch and recognize, hey, like dave that guys knows what he is doing and does and come home safe. the realization, like, oh, even i could get killed. >> fairly sobering? >> yeah, says, like, you know, no matter how professional you are there can be freak accidents and this was. steve wasn't bad at his job that day. >> you said in fact, it was quite a freak accident. that stingray hit him in just -- >> the right spot. stingray, very rare to get barbed by one anyway, sitting over top of it you have got little spot over your heart that is going to kill you, otherwise it is just a scar. i got scars you can see on my forearm, my hands, all part of the job. had that barb moved at all -- >> this poor girl trying to give me a scar. hey, dave, so it is five episodes, it starts on thursday

on animal planet. >> 8:00, animal planet. >> "into the pride." dave salmoni. angela, good to have you here. that does it for me, i'm carlos watson this beautiful little 12-pound lion cub here. i want to thank angela, my co-host. dr. nancy picks it up from here. nancy, are you picking up a lion cub as well? >> no, i'm going to pick up swine flu and town hall meetings. how about that? >> you are safe. >> maybe. coming up in a few minutes, we will look at the town hall disruptions, president obama trying to erase some of the fears of the so-called death panels and we will talk about farrah fawcett's final days, talk to her best friend who was there at the end. of course, the controversial footage of miley cyrus, was she really doing that pole dance? what is the influence over our preteens? it is approaching noon on the east coast. it is wednesday, august 12th. the doctor is in. every day special.

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